Just found a mail-order joint and ordered my Mac Mini, the old 256 MB RAM one etc, but it's new. And I got it for $449 and that included shipping and taxes and everything. So I saved a hundred or so clams on that one. Other places go $499, but then after tax and shipping it still comes to the better part of a hundred bucks more. I'm pining away to get into Garage Band. But I hear I may have to save up for another Gig of RAM to get it to really work. I'm holding my breath.